Comments on: With all the Web2.0 something bad will happen! /blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/ Information Security Think Tank Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:48:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: pdp /blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/#comment-120931 pdp Tue, 06 May 2008 10:17:30 +0000 http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/#comment-120931 I am saying that even if I am not sharing information about myself, my friends and my family do. essentially I am on Facebook, Hi5, LinkedIn and pretty much everywhere where people that I know have signed up. I am saying that even if I am not sharing information about myself, my friends and my family do. essentially I am on Facebook, Hi5, LinkedIn and pretty much everywhere where people that I know have signed up.

]]> By: wishi /blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/#comment-120929 wishi Tue, 06 May 2008 10:14:34 +0000 http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/#comment-120929 >> do you trust your government for having public >> records about yourself? :) there is no privacy >> anymore. No, I don't trust my government. Don't misunderstand this: fighting terrorism is good, but the instruments are abused "to the max". Not only for the terrorism aspect. Privacy will always be there. But of course it changes what you associate with it. The internet isn't eating your privacy. By using new technology, that is open for everybody, you don't necessarily lose privacy. That depends on the input. It's important to use the technology carefully and intelligently. Web 2.0 is not only for you: it's with you. With you and your data. >> be as open as you can Yes :-). >> do you trust your government for having public
>> records about yourself? :) there is no privacy
>> anymore.

No, I don’t trust my government. Don’t misunderstand this: fighting terrorism is good, but the instruments are abused “to the max”. Not only for the terrorism aspect.

Privacy will always be there. But of course it changes what you associate with it. The internet isn’t eating your privacy. By using new technology, that is open for everybody, you don’t necessarily lose privacy. That depends on the input.
It’s important to use the technology carefully and intelligently. Web 2.0 is not only for you: it’s with you. With you and your data.

>> be as open as you can

Yes :-).

]]> By: pdp /blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/#comment-120871 pdp Mon, 05 May 2008 22:55:44 +0000 http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/#comment-120871 wishi, I can write the entire system over the weekend but still I have to write it, right? the only reason we use NING is because we don't have to deal with the hustle to setup and write things. Moreover, we don't know where it will go. The expectations and requirements could shift with the time. do you trust your government for having public records about yourself? :) there is no privacy anymore. I think that we've learned this lesson long time ago. switch the strategy. be as open as you can. that way, nobody can find anything else about you that is not yet a public knowledge. my $0.2 wishi, I can write the entire system over the weekend but still I have to write it, right? the only reason we use NING is because we don’t have to deal with the hustle to setup and write things. Moreover, we don’t know where it will go. The expectations and requirements could shift with the time.

do you trust your government for having public records about yourself? :) there is no privacy anymore. I think that we’ve learned this lesson long time ago. switch the strategy. be as open as you can. that way, nobody can find anything else about you that is not yet a public knowledge. my $0.2

]]> By: pdp /blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/#comment-120870 pdp Mon, 05 May 2008 22:51:21 +0000 http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/#comment-120870 zuoo, thanks for the comment. it is a good one. I must disagree to your PS. Some people prefer IRC, others E-mail. I prefer RSS. So different people, different mediums. House of Hackers is just one of the mediums. It just feels a gap that many people may find very useful. but you are right. we are yet to see how HoH performs. zuoo, thanks for the comment. it is a good one. I must disagree to your PS. Some people prefer IRC, others E-mail. I prefer RSS. So different people, different mediums. House of Hackers is just one of the mediums. It just feels a gap that many people may find very useful. but you are right. we are yet to see how HoH performs.

]]> By: wishi /blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/#comment-120865 wishi Mon, 05 May 2008 21:03:56 +0000 http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/#comment-120865 Hmmh... I think Web 2.0 isn't the problem itself. The technologies related with Web 2.0, I mean Ajax, Java(skript), and so on, aren't very well designed, but that not the main problem. The main problem is: Do you trust the one, hosting the social network. Or, will he/she/it abuse your data, and sell it, for statistical reasons. http://www.ning.com/ - in this case of "House Of Hackers" is the address. I'm not sure, but hosting a social network on an own server, with self defined technology, would be much better in meeting the kind of environment the hacker community could expect. It's a question about the price. You pay with your personal data or you pay by donating for a server to host. Why using the service? Real sensitive data - no "Hacker" will put them in there. There's no need for making things public, into the Web 2.0, that are highly abuseable. Why are people always taking this Web stuff so serious. This is not about 0days. It's about fun. Hmmh… I think Web 2.0 isn’t the problem itself. The technologies related with Web 2.0, I mean Ajax, Java(skript), and so on, aren’t very well designed, but that not the main problem.

The main problem is: Do you trust the one, hosting the social network. Or, will he/she/it abuse your data, and sell it, for statistical reasons.

http://www.ning.com/ - in this case of “House Of Hackers” is the address. I’m not sure, but hosting a social network on an own server, with self defined technology, would be much better in meeting the kind of environment the hacker community could expect.

It’s a question about the price. You pay with your personal data or you pay by donating for a server to host.

Why using the service?

Real sensitive data - no “Hacker” will put them in there. There’s no need for making things public, into the Web 2.0, that are highly abuseable.

Why are people always taking this Web stuff so serious. This is not about 0days. It’s about fun.

]]> By: zuoo /blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/#comment-120860 zuoo Mon, 05 May 2008 20:21:50 +0000 http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/#comment-120860 Ok, experiments are good things but I think it is not neccessary to do hacking social site ;). About PS hmmm... yes I write things a lil bit too weird so what I tried to say was that the main thing about hacking is that that it's world (hacking scene) is underground so when you run web 2.0 social network site it wouldn't be as great as underground community. In the end who can register on that type of service? newbies and white/grey hats and this is sad because if we keep things underground you also can have touch with black hats (which is even better experience since black hats break white hats things in the first place). OK, nevermind, we shall see in what HOH will evolve and then we will judge ;). Ok, experiments are good things but I think it is not neccessary to do hacking social site ;).

About PS hmmm… yes I write things a lil bit too weird so what I tried to say was that the main thing about hacking is that that it’s world (hacking scene) is underground so when you run web 2.0 social network site it wouldn’t be as great as underground community. In the end who can register on that type of service? newbies and white/grey hats and this is sad because if we keep things underground you also can have touch with black hats (which is even better experience since black hats break white hats things in the first place).

OK, nevermind, we shall see in what HOH will evolve and then we will judge ;).

]]> By: pdp /blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/#comment-120836 pdp Mon, 05 May 2008 16:59:59 +0000 http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/#comment-120836 maybe it is, but I like to experiment and the fact is the social networks are the future of communication regardless mine or your opinion. House of Hackers was set to help people like you and me, so it is our call really. I don't quite understand your "PS.". can you clarify? maybe it is, but I like to experiment and the fact is the social networks are the future of communication regardless mine or your opinion. House of Hackers was set to help people like you and me, so it is our call really.

I don’t quite understand your “PS.”. can you clarify?

]]> By: zuoo /blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/#comment-120827 zuoo Mon, 05 May 2008 15:59:05 +0000 http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/#comment-120827 It is a lil bit weird. You talk about web 2.0 evil (and about social networks evill too, couple of posts ago) and now you provide service called "House of Hackers" which is excatly web 2.0 social network site... it isn't an irony? PS. And I do not think so that House of Hackers have what is the most in the hacker spirit - it is not underground so where is the most valuable thing in HoH? or am I just wrong (it also could be since I do not participate to HoH). It is a lil bit weird. You talk about web 2.0 evil (and about social networks evill too, couple of posts ago) and now you provide service called “House of Hackers” which is excatly web 2.0 social network site… it isn’t an irony?

PS.
And I do not think so that House of Hackers have what is the most in the hacker spirit - it is not underground so where is the most valuable thing in HoH? or am I just wrong (it also could be since I do not participate to HoH).

]]> By: pdp /blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/#comment-120812 pdp Mon, 05 May 2008 13:08:57 +0000 http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/#comment-120812 fyi, we are experimenting with some DIY social networking sites that we are going to use in order to build our next venture and a member of our team, .mario, has identified a critical vulnerability in the first 30 minutes. now, this vulnerability is super nasty and we have to let these guys know. but this is just an illustration of the situation out there. Power to the people - power to the hackers. fyi, we are experimenting with some DIY social networking sites that we are going to use in order to build our next venture and a member of our team, .mario, has identified a critical vulnerability in the first 30 minutes. now, this vulnerability is super nasty and we have to let these guys know. but this is just an illustration of the situation out there. Power to the people - power to the hackers.

]]> By: James /blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/#comment-120791 James Mon, 05 May 2008 08:35:25 +0000 http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/#comment-120791 This brings me back to when i visited Internet World last week. I found it amazing that there were well over 300 companies exhibiting there, providing just about everything one would want from the Internet. Still, in a way it was quite scary. There was lots of redundancy for sure. Makes one wonder where their information is going to end up. This brings me back to when i visited Internet World last week.

I found it amazing that there were well over 300 companies exhibiting there, providing just about everything one would want from the Internet.

Still, in a way it was quite scary. There was lots of redundancy for sure. Makes one wonder where their information is going to end up.

]]> By: Udi /blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/#comment-120785 Udi Mon, 05 May 2008 07:31:26 +0000 http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/with-all-the-web20-something-bad-will-happen/#comment-120785 i Agree, fast deployment, less design, less security. nice looking thats all. -Udi i Agree,

fast deployment, less design, less security. nice looking thats all.

-Udi

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