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	<title>Comments on: Mindmap: What is Web2.0?</title>
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	<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: BAKANG</title>
		<link>http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/mindmap-what-is-web20/comment-page-1/#comment-124095</link>
		<dc:creator>BAKANG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 16:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When explaining things like web 2.0, pliz take into acount that some peole,like me, know nothing about computers,therfore it would be highly appreciated if you explained it in much simpler terms</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When explaining things like web 2.0, pliz take into acount that some peole,like me, know nothing about computers,therfore it would be highly appreciated if you explained it in much simpler terms</p>
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		<title>By: Boitumelo makoloka</title>
		<link>http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/mindmap-what-is-web20/comment-page-1/#comment-123283</link>
		<dc:creator>Boitumelo makoloka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree with christ,me too i dont understant</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree with christ,me too i dont understant</p>
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		<title>By: namal</title>
		<link>http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/mindmap-what-is-web20/comment-page-1/#comment-122498</link>
		<dc:creator>namal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 09:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cherishing....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cherishing&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Singleton</title>
		<link>http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/mindmap-what-is-web20/comment-page-1/#comment-40582</link>
		<dc:creator>Singleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tape-record??? Do they still have those around??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tape-record??? Do they still have those around??</p>
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		<title>By: pdp</title>
		<link>http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/mindmap-what-is-web20/comment-page-1/#comment-40281</link>
		<dc:creator>pdp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i will try to...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i will try to&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: christ1an</title>
		<link>http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/mindmap-what-is-web20/comment-page-1/#comment-40280</link>
		<dc:creator>christ1an</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, nothing is contradicting here. Be that as it may, since I prefer reading lines instead of reading what may or may not be between whatever lines, I'll just wait for your complete presentation.

By the way, I'll most likely not be in BrÃ¼ssel in September. Would be cool if you could tape-record your talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, nothing is contradicting here. Be that as it may, since I prefer reading lines instead of reading what may or may not be between whatever lines, I&#8217;ll just wait for your complete presentation.</p>
<p>By the way, I&#8217;ll most likely not be in BrÃ¼ssel in September. Would be cool if you could tape-record your talk.</p>
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		<title>By: pdp</title>
		<link>http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/mindmap-what-is-web20/comment-page-1/#comment-40276</link>
		<dc:creator>pdp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 16:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>christ1an, I don't really understand your first point. It is sort of contradicting with what you've said before.

On your other points, again read between the lines. you may know what these technologies are and what Web2.0 is all about but this does not necessarily means you understand it. It is like in programming. Most languages are similar so you should not have any problem to pick a new syntax knowing already one. You sit down and start from a problem and implement it in the language you want. The same thing here! Practice it! Then come back and look at the mindmap. I am sure that you will extract a lot more value.

BTW, as I said above, this mindmap is part of a much bigger one which outlines the security aspects of Web2.0.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>christ1an, I don&#8217;t really understand your first point. It is sort of contradicting with what you&#8217;ve said before.</p>
<p>On your other points, again read between the lines. you may know what these technologies are and what Web2.0 is all about but this does not necessarily means you understand it. It is like in programming. Most languages are similar so you should not have any problem to pick a new syntax knowing already one. You sit down and start from a problem and implement it in the language you want. The same thing here! Practice it! Then come back and look at the mindmap. I am sure that you will extract a lot more value.</p>
<p>BTW, as I said above, this mindmap is part of a much bigger one which outlines the security aspects of Web2.0.</p>
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		<title>By: christ1an</title>
		<link>http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/mindmap-what-is-web20/comment-page-1/#comment-40269</link>
		<dc:creator>christ1an</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we can take a whole lot of things for granted. That was my point.

You talked about buzzwords and most basic features. Well, the thing is we don't have an infinite amount of these buzzwords, in fact we have only a few. Some that are technology related and a few that are related to philosophy. They would fit all together on one single board.

What I'm trying to say is that with this very limited amount of terms there is no need for hundreds of people to independently meditate for hours which of these technologies or ideas characterize what we call Web 2.0.

It's plain simple and we can pinpoint it on various Web 2.0 sites we actually have like for instance Amazon or YouTube.

Do I need to get into details or is this abstract exposition comprehensible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we can take a whole lot of things for granted. That was my point.</p>
<p>You talked about buzzwords and most basic features. Well, the thing is we don&#8217;t have an infinite amount of these buzzwords, in fact we have only a few. Some that are technology related and a few that are related to philosophy. They would fit all together on one single board.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m trying to say is that with this very limited amount of terms there is no need for hundreds of people to independently meditate for hours which of these technologies or ideas characterize what we call Web 2.0.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s plain simple and we can pinpoint it on various Web 2.0 sites we actually have like for instance Amazon or YouTube.</p>
<p>Do I need to get into details or is this abstract exposition comprehensible?</p>
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		<title>By: pdp</title>
		<link>http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/mindmap-what-is-web20/comment-page-1/#comment-40265</link>
		<dc:creator>pdp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 15:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>right.... hmmm, christ1an, although the term Web2.0 started as a marketing buzzword today, Web2.0 defines a milestone as a significant point in development of the Web. I hardly doubt that we should take what Tim Oâ€™Reillys have said for granted since even he didn't know what he meant at that time. Web2.0 defines technological, philosophical and social superset of what we used to know as just the Web. Although that we both know that the Web/Internet is not bound to any version number, it makes our lives a lot easier to do so, so we can refer to certain set of features.

For example, when we say Web2.0, we mean the characteristics that I outlined in my mindmap. When we say Web3.0 we mean something else. It makes my life and your life a lot easier. Web2.0 is a common dominator that describes set of features. I hope you understand.

The mindmap presented above has never been designed to be complete but just to outline the most basic features. I thought that I was clear about that. I will be happy to make the necessary changes if you give a good reason to.

Btw, the reason we repeat what others have done so far is because we don't trust their way of thinking completely. Because of my doubt, I thought to do a logical digestion of Web2.0 technologies. This is within the true spirit of what hacking is all about. &lt;strong&gt;Great painters copy other great painters' work&lt;/strong&gt;. If you don't believe me checkout with the local library.

A lot of people thing that there is not much into Web2.0; that security in the Web2.0 world is exactly the same as the security in the Web1.0 world. Well, keep up with this thought. I believe that there is a significant difference, and in order to understand what I am talking about you should really read between the lines. I can talk for hours on this subject but I don't really want spoil the fun for the upcoming conferences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>right&#8230;. hmmm, christ1an, although the term Web2.0 started as a marketing buzzword today, Web2.0 defines a milestone as a significant point in development of the Web. I hardly doubt that we should take what Tim Oâ€™Reillys have said for granted since even he didn&#8217;t know what he meant at that time. Web2.0 defines technological, philosophical and social superset of what we used to know as just the Web. Although that we both know that the Web/Internet is not bound to any version number, it makes our lives a lot easier to do so, so we can refer to certain set of features.</p>
<p>For example, when we say Web2.0, we mean the characteristics that I outlined in my mindmap. When we say Web3.0 we mean something else. It makes my life and your life a lot easier. Web2.0 is a common dominator that describes set of features. I hope you understand.</p>
<p>The mindmap presented above has never been designed to be complete but just to outline the most basic features. I thought that I was clear about that. I will be happy to make the necessary changes if you give a good reason to.</p>
<p>Btw, the reason we repeat what others have done so far is because we don&#8217;t trust their way of thinking completely. Because of my doubt, I thought to do a logical digestion of Web2.0 technologies. This is within the true spirit of what hacking is all about. <strong>Great painters copy other great painters&#8217; work</strong>. If you don&#8217;t believe me checkout with the local library.</p>
<p>A lot of people thing that there is not much into Web2.0; that security in the Web2.0 world is exactly the same as the security in the Web1.0 world. Well, keep up with this thought. I believe that there is a significant difference, and in order to understand what I am talking about you should really read between the lines. I can talk for hours on this subject but I don&#8217;t really want spoil the fun for the upcoming conferences.</p>
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		<title>By: christ1an</title>
		<link>http://www.gnucitizen.org/blog/mindmap-what-is-web20/comment-page-1/#comment-40257</link>
		<dc:creator>christ1an</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 13:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, what I'm wondering is why people always try to rephrase or redefine what has alreay been well defined by others.

There is no "What is Web 2.0", there is no "it's hard to say" and you don't even need to dig deep into this theme to understand what it is about. All those questions seem irrelevant to me.

If you read Tim O'Reillys statement on Web 2.0, the initial idea behind the term, you should get a very good understanding of what exactly Web 2.0 is about.

There are some key technologies or lets say key aspects, since not everything has in fact to do with technology. Those are RIA, SOA and the SocialWeb which by the way means interaction with the application, not participating on forums or other not Web 2.0 communities.

Of course these terms have a little bit of superficiality but they certainly do not allow for much interpretation. If you really want to create a detailed map of Web 2.0, then start with these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, what I&#8217;m wondering is why people always try to rephrase or redefine what has alreay been well defined by others.</p>
<p>There is no &#8220;What is Web 2.0&#8243;, there is no &#8220;it&#8217;s hard to say&#8221; and you don&#8217;t even need to dig deep into this theme to understand what it is about. All those questions seem irrelevant to me.</p>
<p>If you read Tim O&#8217;Reillys statement on Web 2.0, the initial idea behind the term, you should get a very good understanding of what exactly Web 2.0 is about.</p>
<p>There are some key technologies or lets say key aspects, since not everything has in fact to do with technology. Those are RIA, SOA and the SocialWeb which by the way means interaction with the application, not participating on forums or other not Web 2.0 communities.</p>
<p>Of course these terms have a little bit of superficiality but they certainly do not allow for much interpretation. If you really want to create a detailed map of Web 2.0, then start with these.</p>
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